Saturday, September 23, 2017

There's flooding and there's flooding

Malaysiakini - Kedah flash flood victims rise to 1,000, Perlis water supply hit (extracts):


The number of flood victims in Kedah has risen to 1,060 as of this morning.

They are being sheltered at 13 evacuation centres.

In a statement today, the State Disaster Management Department said the centres were located in the districts of Kuala Muda, Kota Setar, Kubang Pasu, Pokok Sena and Pendang.

[...]

Meanwhile in Perlis, residents in six areas have been advised to consume water sparingly following supply disruption since 5pm yesterday.

Syarikat Air Perlis in a statement said the disruption was caused by flood waters that inundated the pump house at the water treatment plant at Timah Tasoh Dam in Beseri near Padang Besar.

The affected areas are Beseri, Titi Tinggi, Padang Besar, Kaki Bukit, Bintong, Kangar and its surroundings.


Humongous deafening silence! But wait, I heard a big yaaaaaaaawn.

Flooding?

Not in Pakatan (DAP-led) states. Not interested.


Another Indian Party

Even though the Minorities Rights Action Party (Mira) has been transformed from the former NewGen Party, which purported to champion the rights of all ethnic minorities, it is essentially an Indian party.


Rajaretinam Armuggan - chairperson Mira 

It wants to ally itself with Pakatan Harapan, promising to deliver the Indian votes in constituencies such as Cameron Highland, Kulim-Bandar, Lembah Pantai, etc.


Mind, MIRA has cleverly said it's not asking for any seats, not that it could get any, wakakaka.


Waythamoorthy - Hindraf
once a BN deputy minister but now ...?

I wonder who is representing the Indian Malaysians - MIC, IPF, Hindraf, HRP, Malaysia Makkal Sakti Party (MMSP), MIUP, PSM, MIRA etc but of course whichever it is, the political party with the most number of Indian representatives is the DAP which has been accused of being a Chinese-based party.

The DAP has a total of 21 Indian MP, ADUN including a Deputy CM, and a Senator, a number which far exceed those in MIC, wakakaka. Perhaps, based on numbers of Indian representatives, the DAP is the true Indian party, wakakaka.


Dr Ramasamy (DAP) - DCM II Penang 

Mind, the political party which Indians should steer clear of is PKR, an extremely dangerous place for Indian politicians wakakaka - don't believe me, ask Nallakaruppan, Gobi, Manickavasagam etc etc etc, and soon (if they're not too careful) Surendran, Sivarasa and Xavier Kumar, wakakakak again.



dei Zahid, what are you complaining about - after all you admitted to sleeping with an Indian before

wakakaka
 

Arrogance backed by not so-divine Jakim & Perak-ish fatwa?



From MM Online (02 May 2017):

KUALA LUMPUR, May 2 ― A Johor religious school said it did not have to entertain public outrage on the internet over a student’s beating by an assistant warden that allegedly resulted in the amputation of his legs and death.



F**K YOU LOT, YOU CAN'T TOUCH ,ME 

The management of Madrasah Tahfiz Al-Jauhar (MTAJ), a school based in Kota Tinggi that teaches memorisation of the Quran, also said the word “abuse” might not accurately depict the situation.

“MTAJ does not have to entertain netizens who are too full of suspicion because 97 per cent of them have never dealt with MTAJ and are only talking and writing based on perceptions and sentiments that have been played up,” MTAJ management said on its Facebook page yesterday.


From The Malaysian Insight (23 September 2017):

WHY ask now about fire safety when it was not a matter that bothered the parents before, says the principal of the tahfiz school which suffered a fire tragedy last week, in Kampung Datuk Keramat, Kuala Lumpur.



F**K YOU LOT, YOU CAN'T TOUCH ,ME 

Muhammad Zahid Mahmood said this in response to the stink the families of the pupils are raising over the safety of the building, in which 21 pupils and two teachers were killed in a blaze last week.

The principal,said the issue of the school's safety did not crop up when the parents sent their children to study at Darul Quran Ittifaqiyah.


Read MM Online's:



By the grace of god & some of His creations.

From Malaysiakini today:

Darul Quran Ittifaqiyah tahfiz school principal Mohd Zahid Mahmood said fire investigators had helped restore the good game of his institution.

"Prior to this, we were criticised and had various allegations thrown at us. In fact, the school was a target for ostensibly not prioritising security aspects.

"I am not angry and I accept it all because I know God will help us.


Thanks God.


Earlier (11 July 2017) from Berita Harian:

Madrasah Tahfiz al-Jauhar (MTAJ) hari ini, menganggap kes kematian Mohamad Thaqif Amin Mohd Gaddafi selesai susulan laporan perubatan dikeluarkan Kementerian Kesihatan semalam.

Pengetuanya, Mohammad Afdhaluddin Ismail, berkata berasaskan laporan itu ia mengesahkan tiada kes penderaan yang berlaku di MTAJ.

Katanya, pengurusan MTAJ juga menegaskan pihaknya berpuas hati dengan kenyataan semua yang terbabit atas kerjasama yang diberikan selama siasatan kes berkenaan dijalankan.

"Kami di MTAJ bersyukur kerana kes ini boleh dianggap selesai selepas kenyataan perubatan ini dikeluarkan dan menunjukkan kebenarannya. Pada masa sama kami menzahirkan kesedihan atas penyakit yang menimpa Allahyarham Mohamad Thaqif.

Thanks God.

'God provides' to irresponsible people?

10 days ago, on 14 September 2017, 21 school children with ages ranging from a mere 7 to 17 perished horribly in a fire outbreak at the Pusat Tahfiz Darul Quran Ittifaqiyah.




During all these time, the tahfiz school principal Mohammad Zahid Mahmood did NOT see fit to even meet and talk with the parents of those 21 school children.

21 of people's children died horrendously at his school, and yet for 10 whole days he did NOT bother to see those parents at all.




Now that some broken-hearted parents have engaged a lawyer to demand some truth from the school administration, mind you NOT to even sue the school but to just demand the truth about the fatal fire outbreak, school principal Zahid Mahmood has started to tok-kok, saying the families and kin of victims of the horrendous school fire should discuss with the school management before taking any action.

10 whole f**k-ing days he did nothing - now he's telling those parents not to do anything before speaking to him.

And what f**ling action did those take other than to only want the truth which the school principal had not even care to provide, talk to and console them let alone tell the truth.

All that f**k-er did was to acclaim their poor lil' children died by the will of Allah swt to become mati-syahid.


He bull-ed that he or the school was unable to meet the parents due to time constraints during the 10 days since the fire killed those children.

Presumably in his cockroach mind, his constraints by time obviate the need to explain to parents why their children, entrusted to him for boarding & education, were burnt horribly to death, yes, 10 days ago at his unsafe premise.

Time constraints my bloody foot?

Thus, faced with the demand for truth, he now makes pathetic excuses.

Can you trust your precious children with such a callous contemptible
 cruel-hearted man?

Meanwhile in Penang, Mohd Yusni Mat Piah, the information chief of PAS Penang, ranted against Abdul Malik Abul Kassim (PKR), the Pakatan-led religious affairs committee chairman, for declaring that the state government would take strict action against tahfiz schools that ignored safety protocol, including cancelling their permits and closing down the centres.


Yes, PAS is angry that the state government has the bloody nerve to close down tahfiz schools that ignored safety protocol.

To him, f**k the safety protocol. The tahfiz schools, no matter how unsafe they are, must not be closed down at all.

FMT reported: At a separate press conference before PAS’ statement was issued yesterday, Malik said the state government had no plans to close down tahfiz schools, and was merely advising operators to follow the law.

“Our mission here is to help these schools reach the highest safety standards possible. We will engage these operators to rectify problems as they occur,” he said.

Malik said there would be “no compromise” on tahfiz operators who ignored safety standards if they refused to heed the advice given.

Currently, he said, there were 67 tahfiz schools in the state including 20 unregistered centres.

Malik said the Penang government would also consider beefing up existing state laws to punish tahfiz school operators that flouted basic safety and building laws.

He said with the powers vested under the Control of Islamic Religious Schools Enactment (Penang) 1989, it currently had the authority to deregister schools which were found to be unsafe.

Malik said he was also shocked to hear that some tahfiz schools invited to attend fire safety programmes by the fire department did not show much interest.

He gave the example of a two-day programme held at the Perai fire station on Aug 8 and 9, which was only attended by 25 tahfiz schools although 50 had been invited.

Likewise, a northern region programme held by the Islamic Development Department (Jakim) in Alor Setar on Sept 13 and 14 was only attended by 18 of the 36 schools that had been invited.

Somehow Mohd Yusni Mat Piah, the PAS info-chief, gives me the impression he doesn't care two f**ks about safety as probably in his kutu-infested mind, Allah swt will take care of such silly things.

That presumption about a tidakapa attitude among tahfiz schools was seen manifested in only 50% of tahfiz schools attending a two-day programme held at the Perai fire station last month.

As I once heard a Christian evangelist tell me glibly why he could support himself without a job: 'God provides'


He forgot to add that the compulsory Christian version of zakat kept him fed, clothed, boarded and with pocket-money. What an arse-hole.



some churches (eg. in Scandinavia) levy tithe as much as 50% of monthly income 


What causes polarisation of Malaysians?

Zan Azlee of Malaysiakini penned Would Malays contribute to building non-Muslim houses of worship? (extracts):


zan azlee 

So when the best advice that can be dished out to create a happy country is for its people to tolerate each other, then we are in deep trouble. It means that we just pretend to accept each other when deep down, we hate each other.

That shouldn’t be a basis of how citizens of a country are supposed to get along with each other. Instead of tolerating each other, what we really need to do is to understand and accept each other the way we are.

I look at Malaysians today and realise that we are quite polarised racially and religiously. And it seems that polarisation is actually between the Malays and the non-Malays. However, between the different non-Malay ethnicities, there seem to be no problems.

I wonder quite often how all this came to be and the only answer that creeps into my head is the fact that the Malays seem to feel such a ridiculously strong sense of entitlement that makes them just disregard everyone else.

The Malays feel like they have more rights than anyone else and they impose on others. Take for example when it comes to the fasting month. They expect everyone else to respect them for fasting that no one can even eat in front of them.

Why can’t it be that the Malays respect those who aren’t fasting and let them eat in peace anywhere and anytime they want without being so insecure? Is their belief so weak they can be tempted to break their fast so easily?

Then there is the issue of proselytising. People of faiths other than Islam are not allowed to spread their religion. But the Malays (who by constitutional definition are Muslims) are allowed to spread their religion freely.

I wonder if the Malays still remember the history of our National Mosque in Kuala Lumpur which was built in 1963. It was conceptualised right before Merdeka by our first prime minister Tunku Abdul Rahman and it was to symbolise the country’s freedom and the unity of our people.

The cost of the construction of the building was RM10 million. The government actually received a contribution of RM3 million in aid which was given generously from the different ethnic communities who came from non-Muslim faiths.


It was widely known that the Chinese, Indian, Christian, Buddhist and Hindu communities contributed significantly and willingly towards the building of the mosque. And this history of the mosque is something that fills me with pride and happiness.

This to me indicated how important it was to everyone at that time to foster goodwill, respect and acceptance among fellow Malaysians without paying attention to race, religion or creed. It was a spirit of seeing all Malaysians and Malaysians.


Zan then continued to matters related to the title of his post, to wit, 
Would Malays contribute to building non-Muslim houses of worship?

He provided the answer to his rhetorical question:

In our state of affairs today, do you think we could see a situation where the Malays would willingly and generously contribute towards the building of a church, temple or shrine? I highly doubt so. I can confidently say that no Malay would be caught dead doing so.

It is sad for me to see that the Malays would always expect to non-Malays to respect them and think highly of them as if they are entitled to it, yet they will not grant that same respect to the non-Malays.

Note his qualifying remark, namely, In our state of affairs today.

Zan is absolutely right, though in defence of some Malays, I had once saw with my own two eyes that one of my former Malay bosses gave quite a respectable sum to Hindus for the development of that Indian kuil (temple).


I must also confess I disliked that particular boss but I respected him for his very muhibbah and open-minded Malaysian-ness. Yes, to me he was a bastard but a good bastard, wakakaka.

But Zan is right in that such muhibbah generosity by some Malays were done only 'once upon a time', but alas, no longer in our state of affairs today.

And if I may just add in here, t'was not only the National Mosque which befitted from very generous non-Malay contributions but also the State Mosque of Penang. I know because my uncles and relatives all contributed whole-heartedly to its construction.

But Zan in saying it seems that polarisation is actually between the Malays and the non-Malays. However, between the different non-Malay ethnicities, there seem to be no problems attributed the polarisation to Malays' sense of unique (only Malays') entitlement and thus associated disregard for everyone else's.

I feel there's more than just Malays' sense of unique entitlement (though yes, there's that too), and it's mainly to do with religion.

There has been indoctrination of Malay Muslims to an extent that they feel besieged, believing they're living in a spiritually unclean 'environment' polluted by pork-eating and kuil-worshipping infidels.

To expect donations from such 'pure' Muslims for the constructions of kuils, wats, temples, gurdwaras and churches would be too much of an ask.

And I believe poor Zan will be deeply disappointed in his hope that '... the Malays will always remember the history of the National Mosque because it serves as a reminder and an example of how our forefathers wanted the country to be. We would not be honouring them if we forgot.'

Today the ultra religious Malays are already forsaking their own culture, adat and tradition, as in PAS rejecting the UN's appeal to re-institute the PAS-banned but intangible Malay-Kelantan heritage of Makyong (and wayang kulit as well), in order to become more Arabised.


You would think that will make them more pious in the eyes of Allah swt, as if Allah swt only wants his creations to be Arabs, so what can we expect.


just a fatwa, god, not your commandment 



Friday, September 22, 2017

Keep all priests in their rectory

FMT - Church leaders must be non-partisan or risk dividing people (extracts):



The Catholic Church has always been non-partisan when it comes to politics but this does not mean the leaders cannot talk about current developments, said a Catholic prelate.

Keningau Diocese Bishop Cornelius Piong told FMT the church’s clergymen act as the leaders who unite the faithful under their guardianship.

“This is why, in my opinion, a priest cannot afford to side with any political party.

“If he does that, if he supports one particular party, what about the parishioners who are not supporters of that party?”

He was commenting on the statement by UUM political analyst Kamarul Zaman Yusoff who said Christian leaders in the country are throwing their support behind the opposition pact Pakatan Harapan.

Piong admitted that even though the clergy is free to discuss politics, in the end, when it comes to voting, such decisions lie with each individual person.

At the same time, Piong said the church is always supportive of any movement, especially civil societies or NGOs, that strive to serve the public, regardless of religion, race or political leaning.


As example, he mentioned the Bersih movement, which claims to be apolitical and are supposed to act only for the good of society and country as a whole.

Bishop Cornelius Piong stated that 'The Catholic Church has always been non-partisan when it comes to politics' but I have reservations about his word 'always', because that has not been so.

Also, by saying 'even though the clergy is free to discuss politics, in the end, when it comes to voting, such decisions lie with each individual person', depending on what he meant by '... discuss politics ...' he could for all intents and purposes be making excuses for politicking clerics.

Let me take you back to 2012, precisely to 07 August 2012, when FMT published GE 13: What would Jesus do?:



according to scientists 


according to Catholic Church 


according to Korean Christians 

The news online portal informed us about a public forum in PJ Section 8, at the Dignity International, A-2-7 Pusat Perdagangan, regarding the then pending 13th general election, as seen from a Christian perspective.

In that forum the topic was 'What will Jesus be doing in Malaysia today?' with speakers Rev Dr Hermen Shastri and Paul Sinnappan.

Two clerics again, and worse, telling us about Jesus who was crucified two thousand years ago and by the year 2012, a very much dead Jew - thus in reality, what Jesus would do in GE-13 would be what those two clerics personally wanted to do.



FMT then reported:

A media statement on the forum explained that the cowardly fence-sitters are the sole obstacle in preventing political change in Malaysia.

“As the winds of change blow in this most exciting times of political change in Malaysia, the only obstacle that is preventing the change from actually taking place is the Malaysian ‘fence-sitters’ who for the last 54 years have been afraid to make that choice for change. "

“Many among this also reside in our Churches and sit glued to benches and pews during Sunday service without fail, listening fervently to what Jesus may be saying to them,” it read.

The statement added that th
ere is a growing awakening among all Malaysians on the need for real changea reform of the political landscape for Malaysians.
“Yet there seems to be a disjoint of the faith growth within the Churches and the growth without among all Malaysians. This seemingly two worlds of faith and politics are a challenge to all Christians. Are there two lives or only one life, [which] we live according to the will of God?,” it said.

The speakers, read the statement, will take the audience through the Bible to study the political implications and experiences of being a Christian.

“This is to help us enter into present-day reality of the Malaysian political context, and answer the perennial thought: What would Jesus do in Malaysia Today?” it added.




Just as Islam in Malaysia was, has been and still is being highly politicised, so it seemed(seems?) too with the Christian Church.

The common denominator was/is busybody clerics who should NOT poke their noses into politics.

The above two church priests had the shameless brazen nerve to talk about 'political changes' and 'fence sitters', meaning they had already taken sides in order for effecting political change they personally wanted.

So what says you on the above, dear Bishop Cornelius Piong?



Bishop Cornelius Piong

Those words and thoughts would have been fine for ordinary citizens, but the two churchmen seditiously recruited a long-dead Jesus and the Christian Church into taking sides in Malaysian secular politics.

Then, on 23 October 2016, Bishop Bernard Paul, head of the Catholic Church’s Malacca-Johor diocese, did the same. He said that taking part in Bersih 5, which you my dear Bishop Piong claims to be apolitical (ie. NOT political or NOT politically aligned), was a citizen’s right and not a matter of party politic.

But didn't he know who Maria Chin Abdullah was by then? Or is he just pretending dunno (ta'tahu)?


The reality has been that Maria Chin has already deviated Bersih off track from being an apolitical (NOT politically aligned) election watchdog into being an anti-BN NGO. Maria Chin has already taken sides in our politics.

But that's okay if she stopped/stops pretending Bersih was/is just about being an election watchdog as the NGO had originally started life as.

In effect she could be easily accused of misusing the good highly respected name of an originally apolitical Bersih ..... or perhaps she could be accused of not knowing what "apolitical" means, wakakaka.  



Anyway, Bishop Bernard Paul then urged Malaysians to take part in the Bersih 5 rally and “to claim [Malaysia] back from destructive leaders”.

How would that make Bishop Bernard Paul into, from being supposedly a "apolitical" cleric, when he accused some politicians of being "destructive leaders"?

Who were the destructive leaders? Lim Kit Siang? Pak Haji Hadi Awang? Najib Razak? Mahathir?

Bishop Bernard Paul should at least have explained why they were destructive? Or, were his words as a cleric supposed to imply those vague words were words of god and thus not/never to be questioned?

Anyway I wish to say this again about Bishop Bernard Paul, that he seemed to lack understanding of the doctrine of separation of church from the state.

He told politicians who criticised his political move to grow up, but I did then say he was the one who needed to grow up most.



He also lacked understanding that when he marched with Bersih 5, his position as a Roman Catholic Bishop did not disappear, no, not in the least.

Yes, the reason why people talked about him was not that he was Bernard Paul, basically a nobody who we did not know from Adam (pun not intended), but that he has been the one and only Bishop Bernard Paul, the Roman Catholic Prelate who was (is?) head of the Catholic Church’s Malacca-Johor diocese.

Who would have paid attention to him or which news media would have reported on him, if he was(is/) not a Catholic Church Prelate?

Thus no matter that he said he would march in his personal capacity, that's bullshit.

He would definitely influence Malaysian Catholics (in his own words "... and get my people to support them ...") because he wore(wears?) the cloth of a Roman Catholic Prelate, one who was then interfering in Malaysian secular politics.



Recall the words of Jesus as laid down in Matthew 22:21, which was:

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

Yes, that's what Jesus would have done and said if he was here in Malaysia in 2012 or even today, as he did two thousand years ago.

What did/does Jesus advice mean?

Basically, separation of state (things which are Caesar's) from church (things that are God's).

Please lah, clerics of all faith, thou should not try to put mortal words into His Divine mouth.


Do not forget that in December 1972 in Sabah the late Tun Mustapha, then CM of that state, expelled several Roman Catholic priest for allegedly interfering in local politics.



I hope this won't happen to Bishop Bernard Paul, but he must be mindful of the reality that the Catholic Church must NOT interfere with Malaysian politics, as the case also with other clerics of the Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, etc, faith.

As an atheist, I had then humbly drew the attention of Rev Dr Hermen Shastri, Paul Sinnappan and BIshop Bernard Paul to recall what Jesus told us, and ulama Abdullah Sa’amah could/should have then listened in as well, as Nabi Isa (pbuh) was also an Islamic prophet.

Wait, there's more! - In 2012 then, ulama Abdullah Sa’amah told Utusan Malaysia it would be haram for Muslims to vote for DAP and its two allies PAS and PKR in the coming general election, because DAP has refused to accept hudud.

I wonder what PAS had thought then, wakakaka.

But then, ulama Abdullah told Muslims it would be halal to vote for MCA and MIC because these two BN branches were prepared to accept Islamic rule.

Wakakaka, thus in 2012 (and presumably in 2013) ulama Abdullah made MCA and MIC more Islamic-worthy and consequentially more vote-worthy than PAS.

What a f**king liar and an abuser of the Divine Will of Allah swt, but that's the DNA of priests of many faiths.



as kopitiam talk would say about DNA of priests: since "nineteen kh'ong kh'ong", meaning since time began

And hasn't it then troubling enough that when we already had and still have so many Islamic clerics politicising in the names of their religions for political gains in Malaysia?

We certainly don't need any more clerics of other religious denominations interfering in politics. I hope Hindraf hears/reads this.

Just last month The Telegraph reported that Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh, the 50-year old head of the Dera Sacha Sauda or Place of Truth ashram (monastery) in north India, was sentenced amid high security ... to 20 years in jail for the rape of two female followers.


Gurmeet Ram Rahim Singh
Earlier, his disciples rioted that left 38 people dead and 200 injured.

Such was his God-bestowed influence that thousands of the ‘"Rock Guru’s" devotees torched vehicles, stormed people’s homes and attacked journalists after the court found him guilty of the two rapes on Friday
 

Well, we certainly need a clear separation between State and Church where for example, oppressive ulama aren't permitted to stigmatise poor innocent babies born out of wedlock as 'bastards' for the rest of their lives.

Aiyoyo, will no one rid us of these turbulent priests and ulamas?


- (with apologies to Henry II - 1170)







Thursday, September 21, 2017

Waythamoorthy wants Hindu party for Indians?

FMT - Indian youths find no hope in politics, says Waytha (selected extracts):





你们好吗 - how are you guys?

Hindraf chairman P Waythamoorthy says indifference is due to Indian youths believing that they are not represented either in BN or in Pakatan Harapan.

“They have no representative in politics. The Indian representative in Barisan Nasional (BN) is MIC and they know MIC is useless.

“Meanwhile, the opposition bloc is made up of parties which cater to the guidelines of being a multiracial party,” Waythamoorthy told FMT. [...]

Waythamoorthy, who was a deputy minister in the prime minister’s department from May 2013 to February 2014, said the situation had been different immediately after the Hindraf rally in 2007 where Indians had come by the droves to support the opposition, including PAS.

“Now, the youths feel that while there are Indian leaders in the opposition bloc, there is no true Indian representation.”

So when Waythamoorthy was a minister in BN, WTF did he do for Indians?

Hasn't it been his fault that Indian Youths feel marginalised?

The sad problem for Indian Malaysians has been and still is poor Indian leadership in government, including when Waythamoorthy was in BN.

Waytha also said: ... in DAP, although the majority of its membership is Chinese, it is again a multiracial party and so, most of the Indian leaders have to follow the party guidelines to portray that multiracial setup.

So Waytha, what's wrong with multi-racialism in DAP? Or is it your preference for Indians to be under a racist party ..... sorry I mean ..... religious-based party like Hindraf?

FYI, the DAP has 21 Indian representatives. I know it's embarrassing to MIC that we have far more Indian representatives than the so-called Indian Party.


DAP Members of Federal Parliament (MP)

Penang

1. Kasthuriraani Patto - Batu Kawan
2. Ramkarpal Singh - Bukit Gelugor


Perak

3. M. Kulasegaran V. Murugeso - Ipoh Barat
4. Sivakumar Varatharaju Naidu - Batu Gajah


Selangor

5. Gobind Singh Deo - Puchong
6. Charles Anthony Santiago - Klang


Senate (not appointed by PM, but by DAP through states won)

7. Chandra Mohan S. T.


State Assemblies

Negeri Sembilan

8. Arul Kumar a/l Jambunathan - Nilai
9. Mary Josephine Prittam Singh - Rahang
10. Gunasekaren a/l Palanisamy - SEnawang
11. Veerapan a/l Superamaniam - Repah


Pahang

12. Kamache Doray Rajoo - Sabai


Penang

13. Tanasekharan a/l Autherapady - Bagan Dalam
14. Ramasamy a/l Palanisamy (1st ever Indian deputy Chief Minister in Malaysia) - Perai

15. Jagdeep Singh Deo a/l Karpal Singh - Datok Keramat
16. Sanisvara Nethaji Rayer a/l Rajaji - Seri Delima


Perak

17. Sivasubramaniam a/l AthiNarayanan - Buntong
18. Terence Naidu a/l V Raja @ Raja Naidu - Pasir Bedamar
19. Sivanesan a/l Achalingam - Sungkai


Selangor

20. Rajiv a/l Rishyakaran - Bukit Gasing
21. Ganabatirau a/l Veraman - Kota Alam Shah

What now? Still dreaming of making your religion-based Hindraf a la Islamic-PAS into a replacement for MIC (or in your wildest dream, the DAP)?